Wikipedia: Did you know? / Suggested anecdotes


October 19, 2021

Hide the woman I couldn't see

07 September 2021 at 15:45:34: it is now possible to close the proposal. By analyzing 5 model reviews, the bot estimated a probable refusal decision (35%). To notify the participants: {{Notif | JPC38 | Thémistocle | Jean-Christophe BENOIST | Bertrouf | Micheletb}} Wait This anecdote, submitted by JPC38 on 2021-07-29 21:08:00 for publication on 08.03.2022 (International Women's Day), is still being discussed: The discoverers of Down's syndrome and pulsars (photo) are victims of the Matilda effect. Proponent: JPC Any questions? July 29, 2021 at 9:08 PM (CEST) Discussion: Sorry and nothing against you (on the contrary, I think you brought a lot of interesting anecdotes), but there,. No doubt I am not objective, but I am afraid that this kind of theme will confuse certain things. Thémistocle (discuss) July 29, 2021 at 9:21 PM (CEST) archi Against and I'm already tense. Pierrette13 (discuss) July 29, 2021 at 9:30 PM (CEST) I ask that the opinion of Pierrette13 not be taken into account because there is no argument, neither on the substance nor on the form. --JPC Any questions? July 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM (CEST) Well let's see, indeed why not enact new rules ^^ Pierrette13 (discuss) July 30, 2021 at 11:23 (CEST) We should take clear and clear cases to avoid .. tensions. The case of Marthe Gautier is complex, it is a Mathilda without question, but it is not a 100% usurpation (as sometimes presented by non-notable sources). --Jean-Christophe BENOIST (discuss) July 29, 2021 at 10:34 PM (CEST) Without wanting to anger anyone, the "tensions" are not really my business. It seems to me that what matters are neutral opinions backed up by real arguments. The subject is sourced and is based on solid evidence, especially for the Down's syndrome because Marthe Gauthier was the only person in France, trained and equipped for this discovery (and she explains it very well → [1]) . Of course, the "great" Lejeune is defended by a lot of people, in particular the Catholic Church and powerful foundations who consider poor Marthe as a "hindrance to honor in the round" but as I said before, this is none of my business ... - JPC Any questions? July 30, 2021 at 9:21 AM (CEST) Yes, always the same France2 source, particularly Manichean. This is the "non-notable" source (not a science historian or official body) that I was just thinking of. Obviously Gautier's role was particularly underestimated, and she deserves a place at least as important as the others, but the INSERM report is less Manichean. We must not go from one extreme to the other and underestimate the contributions of others. Jean-Christophe BENOIST (discuss) July 30, 2021 at 2:23 PM (CEST) . There are many examples in the article, and indeed this is an important topic. I think so, in particular on Wikipedia where representativeness is a recurring question. However, why choose one or two from this list? How to highlight the article without being reductive? It would be better to focus the anecdote on a woman who is a victim, even if it means making several anecdotes. When is the next WP: Women's Month? Bertrouf July 30, 2021 at 11:27 (CEST) Why are these women there? Quite simply because pulsars like Down's syndrome are major discoveries in their respective fields (who does not know those words?) And the Matilda effect is particularly obvious there. As for the “women's month”, for me, there are 12 a year! --JPC Any questions? July 30, 2021 at 12:04 PM (CEST) In favor of this LSV as is, unless it prevents future publication of other cases of the Matilda effect. - Mylenos (discuss) July 30, 2021 at 10:10 PM (CEST)

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